Difference between Omnimancy and energy work

[StormSeeker]

Hehe, no problem, Winter. I too, know a few folks in the Netherlands area as well. They frequent my website/irc room on occasion. If you want to, I can put you in touch with them as well.

We are trying to train in the science of magic, not philosophy. Even the one introspection thing your refering does help to know thyself, it's more approached as a means to correct thyself. It's what keeps us not a religeon. When a person is ready to "know thyself" cercomstances will happen that will allow them to. They will also discover it along the way to a lessor extent simply by doing magic, but only experiences in life is really going to show them who they are. I also think all the interaction they get with other members and entities also helps, meaning we aren't exactly a politically correct lot and don't have problems telling other people what their issues are, espeically members. Admittedly, some don't take well to blunt answers, but it leaves no questions and puts everything on the table.

Very true and that's why I didn't say that there was no "opportunity" for it to occur in Omnimancy, just that as much emphasis isn't put on it openly as you can find it in trad. psychism and psionics to a lesser degree

As for the better idea..I don't off the top of my head, but let me ponder it for awhile, and discuss it with Cyber. We might be able to come up with something.

[Spartan]

Hehe, winter we have something in common i guess, being Dutch, and not able to find others into energy work. :p

*is one of the dutch folks flomping Stormish' mirc channel*

[StormSeeker]

..yeah, hi Spart..(Spart was one of the folks I was going to "introduce" you to, Winter). Guess he got there before me

[Winter]

Hehe, winter we have something in common i guess, being Dutch, and not able to find others into energy work. :p

*is one of the dutch folks flomping Stormish' mirc channel*

Hey so im not alone after all.

ps. storm you own the psiscape.net site, am i right ?

[StormSeeker]

Yup, you're correct Feel free to drop by there as well, if you're interested.

[Ollieup]

Only one group calls astral "The veil" and nobody really likes them. They are elitist and they have some good and bad ideas about psi. I'm a psion looking into Omnimancy, and most believe that psi is on a broader energy spectrum and know the astral much like Omnimancers do. Don't base all your opinions off the Guild.

[FireEssence]

Only one group calls astral "The veil" and nobody really likes them. They are elitist and they have some good and bad ideas about psi. I'm a psion looking into Omnimancy, and most believe that psi is on a broader energy spectrum and know the astral much like Omnimancers do. Don't base all your opinions off the Guild.

That's somewhat old news; you see, at the time, the only real contact that Omnimancy members had had with people who identified as psions were folks who had originally trained wit Guild members or learned of energywork through the Guild. Yeah, there were a few other folks, but not near so many had really identified specifically as "psions". So don't worry, Omnimancy members aren't trolling the web and going, "Oh, they talk about Dragonball Z here... must be a psion thing!", hah. It was just based on what they'd been exposed to at the time.

[Mindlessinvalid]

Hey, aside form the omnicyber app i posted, this is my first post. In the paradigm I was taught, (the psion guild paradigm, forgive the name) The veil is separate from the astral, the veil is bad because the energy it produces is oily and corrosive and really doesn't do much.

The other thing about this paradigm, is that external energies aren't so much bad as have no place in psionics, which is considered a specialist branch of magic. There is one caveat to that however, and that is, you can become much more powerful (as far as energy work is concerned) with one energy than mulitiple energies.

It's the diffrence between a general practicioner of medicine and an oncologist. The oncologist is a cancer specialist, the general practicioner has a basic working knowledge of most of the medicinal disciplines needed to treat, or at least advise a patient.

I do agree that even my group of psions is a bit "hickish" about astral creatures, which is part of the reason I want to join omni.

BTW; we're not elitist, just specialists, and we aren't afraid to tell people they're fluffy.

[StormSeeker]

Welcome to the boards.

I don't think the analogy you've used, suits the situation.

The situation with a general practitioner versus a specialist in medicine, is far different from someone who uses psi solely and is well acquainted with it, versus someone who is well acquainted with the spectrum of energies and uses whichever is best for the job at the time.

On the surface, it sounds nice, but both situations are quite different.

It's one of those instances where the idea (of concentrating on one energy versus the many, and thus "specializing") is quite sound, logically...but it doesn't fit the circumstances.

Just because something COULD be true, or CAN be true, doesn't mean that it IS true.

But I think that too many people, when they hit upon that idea, stopped there and didn't research to see what the true situation was. They either assumed themselves to be correct, or when they did experiment, they either experimented in such a way that they backed up their evidence, or they ran experiments purely to confirm their theories.

Which is bad science.

For those who experiment without much in the way of bias, for those who just kind of wander into this and want to know more, they tend to realize, IME, that most energies out there have their own benefits and situations where they're more suited to than others. And that specializing in this case, doesn't mean picking one over the other and studying it for years, but it means paying attention and learning about every energy type out there, and it's uses, and learning when to use X versus Y and Y versus Z.

If you want another medical analogy: symptoms. You can have a long list of them, which fit one illness, but also fit a range of others. Until you test for the illness or know more, all you have are possibilities. It would be bad for the patient if you took the possibility which you first realized and made sense to you, as fact, without doing further digging. And this is, I think, what a lot of folks in the magical and energy work communities do.

Also, IME in psionics, external energies are used by some psionic practitioners and psychics (I'm differentiating between the two here,) and are not considered 'out of place' at all. In fact, truly, the only place I've seen that considers external energies to be a poor choice period, is the Psion Guild (and possibly a couple of it's related communities.)

Talk to a psionicist or a psychic who has never heard of the Guild or ventured into the online psionics worlds, and many of them use external energies where it suits. It's only the online groups, that I've seen, who come out with these kinds of philosophies that everyone in the group winds up adhering to, but which only originated with one or two people's research (or, usually: their personal opinions/values/beliefs.)

If the Guild nowadays are saying that external energies are okay but simply have no place in psionics, then they've changed their thinking and philosophy, because I remember a time, a few years ago, when they proclaimed that using external energies would harm the practitioner. Which is nice to see, because I haven't really ever seen external energies harm someone, except when they used an incompatible energy, forced it into themselves, did something silly and so forth.

[Mindlessinvalid]

The guild has changed alot, I only recently started to change myself. I used to be very aggressive towards fluff and bad technique (bad technique is telling people to visualize a certain thing a certain color for a certain outcome.) I have since gotten over that, and now tend to ignore it.

[Obsidian]

Visualising that way isn't necessarily bad technique, it's just assuming too many basic commonalities.

Colour is a great emotional 'colouring' and can be used in spells for that effect. In my experience, anyway. The problem arises in a situation like... When someone uses green for healing, teaches the same colour and technique to another person who's internal associations of green is disease.

Happened to me in the early days. The technique itself wasn't bad, and visualising the thing in said colour was an effective way of doing it (at the time). I just happened to associate the colours differently.

That's a language barrier though, and makes teaching over the internet just that little bit more difficult.

I'm actually of the opinion that there's a lot to be said about 'fluff' as well. I feel it's very open to personal interpretation. Speaking again from previous experience, I've dismissed things as 'fluff' and not possible, only to have them (quite literally) jammed into my head very soon after.

There's some things that are most definitely 'fluffy' but I've found it's generally the way the idea is presented and not the idea itself. Just because it sounds ludicrous doesn't mean you should ignore it out of hand =) Just take it with a larger pinch of salt than you take 'non-fluff' magic and energy work.

Storm: Some nice thoughts regarding the use of external energy and why people used to think external energy is evil.

I think, like you so rightly said, the problem comes from people not realising specific energies often have specific uses.

If I remember correctly (though it's been a while >.<), internal energy (psi) conveys thoughts and lends itself to telepathy much easier than external energy. Yeah? And some external energies are better for X or Y than any other 'flavour' of energy.

(you owe me a message, btw. I hit America in 40 hours or so)